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DeadKid
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:04 am 
 

I'm a bit of a Panza Division fan, at least for a band with only 4 songs. The A-side of We'll Rock the World is probably the one that comes closest to metal as I hear a Deep Purple influence, but I agree they should be re-evaluated.

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Texas King
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:12 pm 
 

Also it's kinda surprising to me that a grindcore band as Pig Destroyer is included on the MetalArchives list, but mathcore Converge isn't.

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:49 pm 
 

One has a metal album. The other doesn't. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Texas King
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:07 pm 
 

Derigin wrote:
One has a metal album. The other doesn't. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Jane Doe is not metal?

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:33 pm 
 

Texas King wrote:
Derigin wrote:
One has a metal album. The other doesn't. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Jane Doe is not metal?

It is not, according to the site's standards.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:53 pm 
 

Another problematic one is imo the Brazilian band X-Rated. I actually have their CD Animal House and quite like them, but the band imo plays pure glam/hard rock inspired by The L.A. scene in the style of Poison, Ratt, Winger, Warrant etc. and not metal. Here are their three albums: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd4JB8c ... 4gHOOPWcVX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAsww8s ... 87Yzw5FVOC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPvYtUqi5XU
https://heavyharmonies.com/cgi-bin/glam ... imal+House

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S9NE
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:11 pm 
 

Why was Lágrima (Korea) accepted? As far as I'm aware, they were only featured on a compilation.

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Helvede
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:35 am 
 

S9NE wrote:
Why was Lágrima (Korea) accepted? As far as I'm aware, they were only featured on a compilation.


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Midnight Rider
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:55 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
Another problematic one is imo the Brazilian band X-Rated. I actually have their CD Animal House and quite like them, but the band imo plays pure glam/hard rock inspired by The L.A. scene in the style of Poison, Ratt, Winger, Warrant etc. and not metal. Here are their three albums: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd4JB8c ... 4gHOOPWcVX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAsww8s ... 87Yzw5FVOC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPvYtUqi5XU
https://heavyharmonies.com/cgi-bin/glam ... imal+House

Thanks a lot. Nuked!

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:16 am 
 

Three weeks have passed since my post, so canplease someone review the bands Panza Division and The Lonely Hearts, which I have posted here? It should not take too long, since Panza Division have released only four songs during their career...

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Wilkun
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:37 pm 
 

I wonder why band Europica is here?
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Eu ... 3540428977

It's a Karpatia (Hungary) RAC band cover.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... a+europica

An exception because of the guests vocals?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:19 pm 
 

Here are some links, which conform, what has Vilkun just said: http://www.karpatiazenekar.hu/index.php ... ca_partone
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europica_ ... 3_Part_One http://hammerworld.hu/2017/07/05/karpat ... pers-szel/
http://hammerworld.hu/2017/07/05/karpat ... pers-szel/ https://www.rockbook.hu/hirek/karpatia- ... t-one-2017
https://www.discogs.com/artist/5960317-Europica-2
https://www.discogs.com/K%C3%A1rp%C3%A1 ... se/4900842
https://www.discogs.com/K%C3%A1rp%C3%A1 ... ase/490084
https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/ ... A1s/958432


Please also read the profile of the Europica bassist above. Let me add on personal note, that the guest vocals performances by such famous vocalist as ------Tim Ripper Owens, Fabio Lione and Ralf Scheepers on an album by a fascist band is an absurdity comparable to the imaginary scenario, when Bruce Dickinson would do guest vocals on a Skrewdriver album in the eighties.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:57 pm 
 

Could someone please tell me in details, why the hardcore band Killing Time was accepted? The obvious answer would be "bbecause we find them to be metal enough, but I would like some more argumentative explanation, if that is possible. It is not the world's greatest tragedy, that the band got accepted, but the band is ddescribed in most of the reviews as classic example of the NYHC sound or the pioneers of thethe tough guy hardcore sound. Imo, the band is predominantly hardcore punk with maybe slight metallic edge and certainly not predominantly thrash metal based or equal parts thrash and hardcore. Here are several albums:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6VhqfAczyE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hMlM-9J8V0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzmjJiago-4

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:23 pm 
 

Multiple mods thought it was fine crossover. There isn't really a need or desire for a more argumentative explanation.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:51 pm 
 

Thank you , Derigin, that was exactly the kind of answer I was expecting. Not too long, yet saying everything, elegantly worded, full of comprehension, clearly argumentative and yet full of philosophical depth. Thank you again. The case of The case of this band is apparently closed, but frankly, you do not have to wonder, when users resort to sarcasm or loose their own "need and desire" to contribute to the site further or to make some useful suggestions or gneral work for the site. If you want respect, it should e mutual. You -that is a plural in this case_- seem to have forgotten to see the world through the eyes of a random user and that , with too much subjectivity in the application of the written rules, is the source of many disputes here. You also seem to forget, that also the users are volunteers, not just you, and thatthey also spend a lot of time working for the benefit for the site. Your answers, though ddefinitely polite, so not seem to reflect that. Take my case, I am waiting here three weeks for an answer about two bands, one of which has rleased only four songs. Is it too long ? I think so. I fully respect your voluntary staus and that you cannot bbe online twenty for hours a date. On the other hand, that is a task, which you have taken up voluntarily , so at lest some improvement in the speed of answering andreactions would be desirable. Sorry for speaking here as some unvoted "tribun of the M-A random users", but I felt it was the right time to do so. Maybe, and that is a suggestion, when the modswork now more closely together and consult thing, which is definitely an improvement, you could use one mod as an "observer", which would inform the mods, which are usually responsible for the band addition and whitelisting, what is new in the two main threads dedicated to accepted/rejected bands and they could could then react, when they have spspare time, wll prepared for the aanswers and not in a hurry. Let me conclude, that many improvements were mae, since my hiatus, but there are still more things, theat need a better solution. Please, let us work together towards that goal. ,

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:18 pm 
 

You're welcome, Witcher. We are all for having our users help us out, but we do not need or want our users to act as moderators, and we expect our users to fully respect us and our decisions. That doesn't mean you can't ask us to review a band in a thread like this one - that is something we do appreciate - but we are not obligated, nor should we feel commanded by a regular user to give them the answer they think they deserve. We are not servants to our users. So while we will continue to work with our users, as we always have, we do not wish to elevate them to a level of authority equal to or superior to us, nor do we find it helpful to have users systematically question our decisions (especially after the fact) or mini-mod our duties. If we wish to have the input of our users, we will gladly ask for it. And if we feel they are going beyond their station, we will kindly ask them to refrain. Please consider this a kind request to accept that.

I do remember when you were a moderator once, Witcher. But you are no longer a moderator. Likewise, I know that when you were a moderator you would have never tolerated - and in fact were far more hostile - than we are to our users on the same issues which you feel are worth calling us out on in your post. We try, and I think we have far improved from those days.

In any case. Going back to the original issue, we don't feel it's necessary to give you "in detail" why we accepted a band. We felt it was acceptable. Period. I doubt you will be satisfied with that answer, and feel that you know better than us. But that doesn't matter to us.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:13 pm 
 

Derigin, you are right in one thing. You are a moderator, I am not, so you wiwll always have the last say. you also have the methods of enforcement at your disposal , which I have not. So I have to comply in the end, willingly or unwillingly. The sad thing is not the decision on the band itself, it is not a life endangering tragedy, but your lack of comprehension for some of my argument. However, as a reasonablle man, I understnad, that ewhen our iopinions are so different, the discission has no point whatssoever. I feel a bit insulted by your constant use of the term random user, since I think nobody, who has reached the status of metal demon, is a random user, but lets leave it that. What my current life ordeal has taught me is a strong dislike for anyone, who considers themselves any sort of elite or divie chosen people, I had that opinion before, but now it is even stronger and I have also learned to be more assertive and fearless in pursuing my goals. That is maybe, why we clash at each other. I have a position of a humanist, you of a strict law enforcer. maybe, just maybe, some life experience will make you realize, how ridicilous some of your standoints were. I only hope that experience will not be as serious as mine. Most of your arguments wererepeated here before, so we would be moving in circle exploring then further anyway. To close up this issue, I have two Czech proverbs for you, translated literally. The first is "every new broom sweeps well", the second is "every fox praises its own tail" I will leave you up thinking about their meaning. Please, as it is my closing post on that matter, do not respond on this part of my writing, as I do not demand or expect that.

Moving to another issue, could I please gget a review of the samples of Panza Division and The Lonely hearts, which I have posted: I think three weeks of waiting are really quite a long time. Thanks.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:23 am 
 

Panza Division and The Lonely Hearts deleted.

EDIT: Also Europica.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:11 pm 
 

Glad to see Raw Power (Italy) accepted by the way, thanks guys!. They were one of those crossover bands (like Agnostic Front) that straddled the line almost perfectly between punk and metal, and their "Screams from the Gutter" LP was an absolute thrash metal crossover classic.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:33 pm 
 

We didn't check that one, actually the inclusion was presented to us based on Mine to Kill and Too Tough to Burn. Same difference, though.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:16 am 
 

Deleted a duplicate of Taetrabiblie.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:09 pm 
 

Squetters is a band, which I have submitted based on a detailed review on a now defunct site dedicated to Swedish metal demos. Now, that I have actually heard them, I am surprised, since they are basically an AC/DC worship hard rock band. I have collected all their songs on Youtube, including three of the four songs fro, their ep, and my conviction is, that ¨they are too hard rock based to be included, Their heaviest song is probably Heavy Water, but the rest cclearly follws the AC/DC style imo. I would be glad, if someone re-evaluates the band. Thanks. Samples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7yfrpYlwnw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE7Ql_GayIQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAUgUf9Arlk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW6jn2fWolw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hkECkmfd54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERnBggtOSgc

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Helvede
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 1:40 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
Squetters is a band, which I have submitted based on a detailed review on a now defunct site dedicated to Swedish metal demos. Now, that I have actually heard them, I am surprised, since they are basically an AC/DC worship hard rock band. I have collected all their songs on Youtube, including three of the four songs fro, their ep, and my conviction is, that ¨they are too hard rock based to be included, Their heaviest song is probably Heavy Water, but the rest cclearly follws the AC/DC style imo. I would be glad, if someone re-evaluates the band. Thanks. Samples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7yfrpYlwnw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE7Ql_GayIQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAUgUf9Arlk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW6jn2fWolw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hkECkmfd54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERnBggtOSgc


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:57 am 
 

Why are NSBM/White Power/RAC bands accepted in the Encyclopaedia Metallum: The Metal Archives?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:58 am 
 

Because we are an impartial database trying to catalogue all metal bands, period. Only the music matters, not the ideology or lyrical themes.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:12 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Because we are an impartial database trying to catalogue all metal bands, period. Only the music matters, not the ideology or lyrical themes.


That's great. :P

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Axel666MoWi
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:44 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/En ... 3540443824

Endless Disease, no physical copies, and every releases under or arond 10 minutes (digital).
Storm of the Light's Bane closed my report without telling anything.
So I'd like to ask someone about why this band has been accepted?
Thanks!
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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:54 pm 
 

Axel666MoWi wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Endless_Disease/3540443824

Endless Disease, no physical copies, and every releases under or arond 10 minutes (digital).
Storm of the Light's Bane closed my report without telling anything.
So I'd like to ask someone about why this band has been accepted?
Thanks!

1 EP/demo with less then 20 minutes is not always acceptable, that's true. In this case there are 5 releases (demos and EPs) with several songs on them and I considered the overall picture to be acceptable.
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Axel666MoWi
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:56 pm 
 

Oh ok! Thank you very much for the answer! I did not know that.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:52 am 
 

Another band of mine, that needs re-evaluation, is the Swedish Wizzy Blaze. I have submitted them years ago based on a info from German Metal Hammer, but to my surprise again, their single sounds very similar to their countrymen Europe and Treat, that means melodic hard rock with prominent keyboards and not heavy metal. The demo track is without keyboards, but again more in the hard rock direction imo. If someone will review them again, I would be very glad. Samples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoAIb8bjgPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDRi0fHBAXQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp9oMZN3H48

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Antioch
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:09 am 
 

DivinumX
http://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/650369
Report:
im not the one to call the shots, but does this really belong on here if only one EP is metal out of a vast otherwise devoid of metal discography?

Source/Evidence:
on the page itself:
"The rest of the discography is composed by short releases oriented on electronic music and pop rock with some rare metal influences."

i thought the rules stated that non-metal projects who just decide to do a off short metal song or release aren't allowed on here.
GuardAwakening, Sep 5th, 06:15

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Axel666MoWi
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Black Legions... Some black metal projects, some ambient project and some... noise projects.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dv ... bkre/41059 I'm not sure but I think that someone already asked the question.
Why are these bands are accepted on the site? Really dark ambiances, "black metal history"... yes ok, but that's not sound metal, or music for some of them, I really don't understand why you keep these bands here. Even if I like most of them, they dont have a place on MA.
But, the main reason of this post is : Why some of them are accepted and not the other?
Vèrmibdrèb released something, but it's not on the archive.

In fact the other projects, maybe don't exist at all after reflexions.
https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/ ... %A8vb/3109

Mentioned only on MA, (maybe on the site of Vordb...) but, I think most of them sould be removed (band added to the archives or band added to artist profile).
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:31 pm 
 

They're here as non-metal exceptions due to their historical notability and relevancy in the metal scene. One of our mods did a very thorough vetting a couple years ago for LLN, and we're confident what's on MA is verified as real, that they have released material, and are a part of that particular scene.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:47 pm 
 

Antioch wrote:
DivinumX
http://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/650369
Report:
im not the one to call the shots, but does this really belong on here if only one EP is metal out of a vast otherwise devoid of metal discography?

Source/Evidence:
on the page itself:
"The rest of the discography is composed by short releases oriented on electronic music and pop rock with some rare metal influences."

i thought the rules stated that non-metal projects who just decide to do a off short metal song or release aren't allowed on here.
GuardAwakening, Sep 5th, 06:15

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It's better to keep this one here.


Hi, guy of questionable taste here and not a mod, but that note was put in before Intra came out if it makes any difference.
https://divinumx.bandcamp.com/album/intra
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:29 pm 
 

^Thanks for the input, ME.

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Re-assessment required. I don't think this belongs here.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:29 pm 
 

Deleted Mourning Clouds, no original material. All songs stolen from Falling Leaves and Remembrance.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:21 am 
 

Antioch wrote:
^Thanks for the input, ME.

Placid Silence
Re-assessment required. I don't think this belongs here.

Tides Are Turning at least sounds primarily metal, but the genre needed fixing.
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Deleted Brotós (Chile). Fake/joke band.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:16 pm 
 

I think the Japanese band Crossfaith should be re-evaluated. while it is clrar, that their recent material is electronic metalcore in the style of bands like Enter Shikari and not metal, even their debut ep "Artificial..." , which is definitely less electronic , is doubtfully metal imo. Samples: https://open.spotify.com/album/4tBE0wxCS7D5xYRjRWL60b
https://itunes.apple.com/jp/album/the-a ... /320214474
https://www.youtube.com/user/CrossfaithOfficial

Edit: The Brazilian band Metal Nobre actually plays hard rock, not heavy metal, despite their name. Samples including five full albums:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imE19GAh79I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTrUHDWQPHk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfyrtsyCc4M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWU8LXLW1HY
http://gospeldownloadfree.blogspot.com/ ... -rock.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNNgYZm ... aeyo6gVbgn

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