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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:09 am 
 

You are definitely right, that the band is strange in many aspects. The music, for example, is certainly not pure black metal , but a mixture of hard rock, rac and some black metal elements. IMo this at least warrants a re-evaluation. When I heard thr first solo, I almost thought this is a Bon Jovi or Whitesnake song from the eighties: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMQaSD-FtI
Anyway,here is the full album Galgenhumor" so you as a native German speaker or Paganiusi can check their accent : http://88nsm.com/2085-14winterkampf88-g ... -2007.html
https://www.discogs.com/artist/5682685-14Winterkampf88

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Duisterling
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:02 am 
 

Am I correct in assuming, as with regions, we should always use the official name of a city rather than any alternatives, however widespread they may be (unless there is an English translation)?
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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:15 am 
 

Duisterling wrote:
Am I correct in assuming, as with regions, we should always use the official name of a city rather than any alternatives, however widespread they may be (unless there is an English translation)?

Use the English name whenever possible, when there are multiple options on Wikipedia or elsewhere (like alternations and such), go with the english Google Maps. At least one of the two should have a name listed.
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Duisterling
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:20 am 
 

PaganiusI wrote:
Use the English name whenever possible, when there are multiple options on Wikipedia or elsewhere (like alternations and such), go with the english Google Maps. At least one of the two should have a name listed.

Thank you!
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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:27 pm 
 

Has there not be a policy against one-copy releases?
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/A ... .66/144449
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MetalCuresHeadaches
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:55 pm 
 

I'm looking for clarification, cause I feel like I missed some policy change. I've always been under the impression that promotional releases were not allowed on the site. I distinctly remember having several child entry additions deleted when we moved over to V2 because "we don't list promotional releases". However, when reporting a handful of promo-only releases from the Ozzy Osbourne solo catalog yesterday, a number of them were closed without removal, with responses along the lines of "people are selling this on Discogs, so it's acceptable". So, where is the line drawn on this? If someone is reselling a promo-only release online, does that count enough to add it here, on the basis that it must have seen some kind of public release?
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Duisterling
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:06 am 
 

Is there any policy on "All Instruments, Vocals" versus "Everything" in the artist role field? I've seen "Guitars, Bass, Drums, Vocals" and any kind of variation on that often reduced to "All Instruments, Vocals" but recently, I've also noticed a moderator changing a lot of the latter into simply "Everything". On the other hand, I've seen a few moderators who add new bands with "All Instruments, Vocals" rather than "Everything" in the artist role field. This gave me the impression there's not much of a policy on it and that the mod whose name I forgot was merely changing it because of personal preferences. Am I right in thinking that, or should I help out changing "All Instruments, Vocals" and similar shit into "Everything" whenever I come across it?
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Storm of the Light's Bane
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:10 am 
 

I don't believe we have a policy on this and that you are correct in thinking it's more of a personal preference sort of thing.
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Duisterling
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:18 am 
 

Thank you, I'll just leave it then.
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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:44 pm 
 

Duisterling wrote:
Is there any policy on "All Instruments, Vocals" versus "Everything" in the artist role field? I've seen "Guitars, Bass, Drums, Vocals" and any kind of variation on that often reduced to "All Instruments, Vocals" but recently, I've also noticed a moderator changing a lot of the latter into simply "Everything". On the other hand, I've seen a few moderators who add new bands with "All Instruments, Vocals" rather than "Everything" in the artist role field. This gave me the impression there's not much of a policy on it and that the mod whose name I forgot was merely changing it because of personal preferences. Am I right in thinking that, or should I help out changing "All Instruments, Vocals" and similar shit into "Everything" whenever I come across it?

Personally, I prefer to use ''All instruments'' when it doesn't include vocals, and ''Everything'' when it does. However, it's ultimately a matter of preference and I would never change them from one to the other. There are multiple ways of presenting the information, and it's not worth getting obsessed over which is best. As evident from the discussion below, there's not really a right or wrong in this case.

HouseSpiders wrote:
If an artist plays/has played all instruments in a band/album but the instruments he/she played are known, should his/her lineup role be shown as "All instruments" or "Guitars, Bass, Drum programming, Keyboards"?

Azmodes wrote:
If all are known it's always better to elaborate.

Derigin wrote:
Well, if they played all the instruments, then just put "All Instruments" honestly. It is far more concise than writing out everything.

That's been the policy for years.

Alhadis wrote:
I actually strongly discourage using "All instruments" as an alternative to putting "Guitars, Bass, Drum programming, Keyboards" (etc) if the latter are known and unambiguously confirmed.

Not every band uses bass in their music, and some artists might switch between drums and drum programming. Putting "All instruments" for the sake of brevity doesn't come across as too encyclopaedic to me, IMHO.

Morrigan wrote:
If you know the minute detail, sure... But "All instruments" is fine in most cases.
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Duisterling
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:15 am 
 

Thanks for sharing that. I'm with Alhadis/Azmodes on this (although I can appreciate Morrigan's pragmatic addition). It's always nice to be able to see whether there's bass or keys or not, real or programmed drums, &c. And especially in the case of unusual folk or classical instruments, 12-string basses &c. I feel it would be an unwelcome loss of information to simply reduce it to "Everything".
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Vadara
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:50 pm 
 

I found a blog that attests an EP by a band listed here (and provides a download link). The band's page only lists their recent LP. Should I just add it or clear it with staff or something...? The EP isn't listed for official sale on their bandcamp.

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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:25 am 
 

Only add it if you can confirm that it is an official EP released by the band. Download blogs are usually not official, but they might be based on official releases or in rare cases are band sanctioned. If you can't confirm that it was released by the band, don't add it.
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cranialcrusherabc
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Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 11:39 pm
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Location: Brazil
PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:14 pm 
 

I have this doubt regarding capitalisation of the lyrical themes. How should it be done?

1. Internal Struggles, Heavy Metal Way of Life; or
2. Internal struggles, Heavy metal way of life.

I always go for 2 based, for instance, on this, but a confirmation is kindly requested :)
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Krister Jensen
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:05 pm 
 

You're not mistaken, #2 is the correct way.

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cranialcrusherabc
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:34 pm 
 

Thank you, KJ.
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