Shadechaser, you earn one point per artist added. In your example, you would get 4 points. Next time, try adding all the artists but do not press save at all. They save automatically. I can guarantee, that even if you don't press the button, the artists will be there and you will have earned a point for each added artist.

I'll steal your example. Add artist 1 with role "Recording". Next, add artist 2 with role "Mixing". Thirdly, add artist 3 with role "Mastering". Then, add artist 4 with role "Artwork". Then close the tab or go pack to your homepage without saving. The artists will save themselves, guaranteed.

https://www.metal-archives.com/users/TalksToToads very newb, lyrics 1b1

Hey! Yep, my mistake, thanks for explanation.

One more appeal.
I guess that adding versions like this is erroneous:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/U ... ion/784772
...since it's identical to the initial one:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/U ... ion/778215
it's the same bandcamp server, just other user account. if needed, a contributor can add additional note like "also issued by {some_label}".
what's more, Werewolf Promotion has released a CD, so I think it's the only version needed to add.
my own opinion that adding digital version that doesn't differ from some physical release is just grabbing points.

not the first such addition from this contributor, BTW.

here's another case from other user:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/H ... ath/696158
same as this digital version:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/H ... ath/656061
and the label also released physical versions.
what sense is to mention that {Label_B} copied the whole stuff byte-to-byte to it's account on bandcamp from account on bandcamp of {Label_A}?!

can't imagine.

Good point, probably not for this thread, but yeah, I've been meaning to ask this for a while now.
1. Yes, you're right, adding a digital version while one already exists (just because it's been reissued physically on a different label) is redundant unless it's different (tracklist, artwork, etc.).
2. However, and there's my question, when a label is a digital-only label, I tend to add a digital reissue for one reason -- well, that doesn't occur often. Less than a hand's count in total I dare say -- and that is because digital-only labels have catalog numbers, so I'd personally add those. But then, my question is whether this is the way to go or I'm just being pedantic here.

are all of 40 mods too busy to answer?

Yes.

Anyway. Removed the versions and sent both users a message about it.

Also that's not how bandcamp works. You can't just attach the same upload to two pages. They both have to upload the songs themselves. But still, even if the label dropped the identical version to Amazon, that wouldn't require a new entry (unless there's bonus songs, different artwork, whatever).



I get your point, but for consistency's sake I wouldn't add digital versions in those cases either. It's a bit tricky because they call themselves labels instead of distributors, but technically Amazon has "catalog numbers", too. They just call it "ASIN" and the same applies to many distributors of physical media, too (they call it "Distribution code" or similar). Those are applied to keep the releases organized in their catalogs, but are label IDs that much different? I'd personally list it in the additional notes that the album was "also distributed by Label XY (Cat#)." Of course depending whether it was first released by the label or independently. Once we are able to add multiple labels to releases I wouldn't mind listing those cases as Independent/Label XY and explain the case in the notes, but there's probably need for some discussion there at some point.

He already received a warning and hasn't updated anything since then. In fact, he hasn't even logged in since then.

thank you.

Sounds good to me, Pag. Right on.

A minor issue, but I think the warning should be removed from this page:
https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/ ... ges/710817

Dia must have added the warning based on behemoth221192's report:
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/603268

However, shortly afterwards the same user added yet another image, and only now - two years after the fact - is he reporting it being private:
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/684293

1. It's not private.
2. He's not consistent, therefore unreliable

I've added her most recent photo (taken from the band's Facebook page). Didn't mean to disregard the warning. It just seemed like the best thing to do.

No worries, it was a good decision. You know the rules very well, and I trust that you can see when a warning is obsolete. The mod warning is gone. The Facebook page you linked in the report was broken for me, and I couldn't find her MA photo anywhere on the band's Facebook. I found a different picture of her in black and white colouring. Can you retry the link you sent to behemoth? If it's also broken for you, then we can just change the photo. I think she just dislikes the photo, it doesn't appear to be a privacy concern.

It was, man. Both photos were. However, the one that's up on FB now wasn't. He must be a band member and has access to the Facebook page. It's just annoying that he has to be sly about something so trivial.

It's this photo shoot:
https://www.facebook.com/bmdekadens/pho ... 414601293/
You can see her in the background on these photos. The members took turns posing while the others appeared in the background. Her photo's missing now.

Anyway, this is her most recent photo now:
https://www.facebook.com/bmdekadens/pho ... 294525262/
Feel free to use it.

So what was wrong with HouseSpiders?

Edit: https://www.google.com/search?q=faceboo ... 1sGTfpCFDM:

I changed the photo. From an encyclopaedia perspective I don't think it was really an improvement from the original, but it seemed reasonable enough... no one wants images of themselves they don't like circulating on websites. Hopefully that will keep everyone quiet for at least some time.


There wasn't really anything wrong with it as such... but this was the only site on which I was known as HouseSpiders, while I was going by the name Midnightwards666 almost everywhere else (Skype, Discord, PSN, YouTube). I would rather have one name for all sites.

Definitely. It just that he could've said it directly. But yeah, I'll keep quiet, too. Haha.

A rose by any other name, as it were. I'll find you when I need you man.

Thanks for updating the photo.

Despite a big orange warning that they were not valid releases and shouldn't be added, this guy here added these four Hank Williams III albums back in April. If someone could both smack him and delete these albums, I'd appreciate it.

maybe it doesn't give any effect
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/P ... ngs/792285
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/E ... ail/792338
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/H ... nts/792301
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/D ... ath/792265
and many more.
useless digital versions again from HeavierThanThou.
it's your privilege to make decisions but I definitely consider this behavior as point-whoring.

How is any of these versions not valid? There's 1 CD and 1 digital version listed. I don't see how that's not correct?

https://www.metal-archives.com/user/tab ... /id/217596

This person is changing the release type for live videos from "video" to "live album".

https://www.metal-archives.com/history/ ... /id/644839
https://www.metal-archives.com/history/ ... /id/156904
https://www.metal-archives.com/history/ ... /id/381447

it's 21st century and of course 99% of labels and bands use digital platforms to promote their stuff.
so I consider that adding digital version while physical is already listed is useless.

"It's the 21st century, of course people still make CDs so listing them is useless."

One version is digital, one is physical. Therefore there's MAJOR difference between the two versions and therefore both have to be listed. I really don't get your argumentation there. It might not be valid in your brain, but it is valid in our ruleset.
The main thing we don't want in regards of digital versions is one entry for each shop that sells it, but that's not the case here.

The troll, which submits fake/non-metal bands, is back: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bl ... 3540457226

https://www.metal-archives.com/users/Nanokin relative newb, almost exclusively lyrics 1b1

Warned.

just for history's sake, gorilla1969 is being inventive again: https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/684982

Critical warning sent. I also requested to the higher-ups that he be demoted from veteran status. After receiving so many bans and warnings for various other matters, he should know better. One of his line-ups I checked was correctly guessed, but please feel free to clean up his mess.

If he continues, his account is toast.

well.

All I know is that he was unbanned on request after four years of a ban. My critical warning was his very very very last chance to change his behaviour. But keep watching, because if he does one more stupid thing, he's toast.

Apologies for the slow response, but I sent a friendly message.

Sent friendly message or warning to this guy:
https://www.metal-archives.com/users/Jester_DL

Changed the lyrical themes to worst, added one incorrect member and also incorret period years of activity on Grailight:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gr ... 3540456556

To me, the band line-up looks incorrect as it is right now. It's very much unmatching with what's listed on the band's Facebook. Also, to make it a bit easier for the reviewing moderator, could you please be a bit more specific? Who was the incorrect member? How did you confirm that the active years are incorrect? We can ask, but we can't just accuse someone of submitting incorrect data based on a mere claim. We need the information.

Okay, see:

First proof:

Incorrect member to the line up of the band, he just was a guest musician:
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?stor ... %2As%2As-R

https://paste.pics/6IC51

Official members are just Demether, Tymon and Alexandra, for that reason Storm of the Light's Bane's modified all.

Second proof:
KJ realized that the band never changed their name and that's why they deleted "the changed name" in early April, but this guy put it back:

https://paste.pics/6IC64

Thanks. The last link doesn't work, but I found the appropriate information in an old report. Friendly message sent.

Thanks.

Hello there. The "wrongdoer" Jester_DL here. Just reached to the forum through all the technical errors.

The thing is - recently I received a message from Demether Grail who's the lead singer of Grailight (yes, we know each other personally and he often writes me to fix some incorrect data on the archives connected with his bands or the bands he know personally) and asked to alter Grailight's article.



So I kinda fixed the data according to what he - the guy who really plays in Grailight - sent me and that's it.
Of course, I understand that there were and are some media sources that make the data really confused but that's what I have to answer for a "friendly message". If bandmembers are not trusted or reliable sources then I don't know who are.
But I won't debate if you guys know it better, just commented on the issue. Demether also said it's ok because there really was little data about the formation of the band and Arsafes' membership.
So no bummer.
Cheers)))

PS Some of my bands (where I play, yes, I'm a musician too) are also featured on the site and one has a "music genre" that it never actually played in. While official resources state one thing Metal-Archives states the other and reports didn't help.

If you want, post the screenshots of that conversation.

I can if that really needed but I don't see any sense now updating the article back and forth. The current version is quite ok.

@JesterDL: Thank you for clarifying the issue and apologies if my message came across as accusing. Needless to say, we were unaware that you were in contact with the band members. You are correct that direct contact with band members is indeed a reliable (and often very useful) source of information, although that is until they try to whitewash history... but that's a different subject altogether.

Following the confusion, I decided to message the band on Facebook and investigate myself. Arsafes is fine exactly where he is - he was always just a guest. The name change was slightly less straight-forward though, as even the artist himself had difficulty answering. It may be a name change, but given that the artist wasn't sure and that it says on the first line of their Facebook biography that ''Order of GRAILIGHT is founded in February of 2013 year Anno Bastardi, by ex-knights of Arcane Grail.'', I believe the best thing to do here is make a note in the additional notes. It seems that we're all happy with that, so I don't see the problem. For reference, here is a screenshot of my conversation with the artist: https://imgur.com/a/EI48UJt


We treat genres differently. This is not something we change when an artist tells us to or because something else is listed on an official website. Genres are listed by the site's definitions, and hearing samples of the music is the only thing that will make us change a genre. I actually found the report in question, and I believe it was this one: https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/681463

He probably checked the link on Soundcloud and didn't agree. It's also a possibility that he just saw you requesting a genre change while citing what another website says rather than what you hear, and not being aware that it was your band, closed the report... though the former is more likely. I actually listened myself, and I think your music is really good... but despite what the official resources say, I wouldn't have labelled it ''extreme gothic metal'' either. I'd be for changing the genre to ''melodic death/gothic metal'' though.

Midnightwards666,

Yes, no problem at all. As I said Demether also agreed that the data is a bit confusing with all these past and present press-releases.

Well, it's up to you. Thank you anyway for consideration.

I understand that running the Archives is not an easy thing and there's always some mess anywhere so there's no bad blood, guys.

I'll change the Grailight lyrics to basically what you had it since you're in contact with Demether. I'm keeping the Indo-European bit though since that was a big mention. (IIrc, in the band's inception it was spefically Indo-Ayran mythology before.) Now here's to hoping the Chatalhüyük LP is released soon.

Ok