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BasqueStorm
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:43 pm 
 

Hi,
This happened this last weekend in Sala Caracol:
https://twitter.com/shul_evolution/status/1203769059013283852
Another video here:
https://www.lasexta.com/noticias/sociedad/asi-se-gesto-el-engano-de-la-sala-caracol-por-parte-de-grupos-neonazis_201912105defbc540cf29ed3ddb3ff95.html

This band was announced and booked by the venue (Valhöll-Dûm):
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Valh%C3%B6ll-D%C3%BBm/3540435953
Those two played (Iberian Wolves and Brigada Totenkopf):
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Iberian_Wolves/3540374297
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Brigada_Totenkopf/3540446753

The venue has been CLEARLY cheated:
https://twitter.com/salacaracol/status/1203475118405668870

Spoiler: show
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But people is shitstorming them:
https://twitter.com/salacaracol/status/1204010519289577474

Spoiler: show
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And this latin dance party had to be canceled his following show same night:
https://twitter.com/GuacamayoTropic/status/1203429315515441152

Spoiler: show
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Police (surprise!) advised to continue with the show (alluding to staff's security) and didn't identify attenders. This is Spain! There's no zero tolerance with franquism like with nazism in Germany and the dictator was exhumed just some months ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francoist_Spain#Legacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valle_de_los_Ca%C3%ADdos#Controversy
There was a fight on the streets after the show too.
What a shame! It's quite common in soccer but not in music venues.

It's a sensitive issue and people should be WAY MORE careful when tagging anyone.

P.S: So excuse when some of us laugh at those weekly "[Internationally established and famous metal band] are nazis" threads based on sensationalistic rumours or obscure lyric lines.
Like I stated, we've not been in front of a nazi band in all our lives.
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Unorthodox
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:09 pm 
 

The only words I understand from all this is "Sieg Heil", so if someone could translate or find a translation that would be nice. Either way, American's have a patriotic duty to stand only one way on these issues.

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BasqueStorm
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:11 pm 
 

Unorthodox wrote:
The only words I understand from all this is "Sieg Heil", so if someone could translate or find a translation that would be nice. Either way, American's have a patriotic duty to stand only one way on these issues.
Spoiler: show
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I would like to have texts to translate via Google Translator but they only posted statement images.
Anyway, I'll try to find an article in english.
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DrummingEdge133
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:27 pm 
 

Unorthodox wrote:
The only words I understand from all this is "Sieg Heil", so if someone could translate or find a translation that would be nice. Either way, American's have a patriotic duty to stand only one way on these issues.

Spoiler: show
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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:16 pm 
 

At the request of dear handsome Eros, here's an English summary of the situation:

It seems like a show promoter booked the venue for a concert. It was meant to be a "farewell gig/private party" for a band named Valhöll-Dûm for "friends and family only". The promoter told the venue that as a private event there would be no need to publicize it as it would be invite-only. But instead of that, it was a NS concert by the bands Iberian Wolves and Brigada Totenkopf. The police found out about it, and contacted the venue owners to inform them about it being a nazi gig, and adviced the owners NOT to cancel it because the police wouldn't be able to guarantee protection to the place, the employees or to the neighborhood from the violence resulting from cancelling the gig at the last minute. So the gig happened. The venue mentions three other instances of venues being cheated by promoters booking the place for nazi concerts using unrelated bands' names. And now the venue is being accused of being NS and crucified by the public, as well as the band Valhöll-Dûm who wasn't even informed about or present at the gig. Oh and 4/6 of the Valhöll-Dûm members quit the band as a result from the harassment

The stance the police took isn't unheard of in Spain, I must point out.

There's also videos of an audience consisting almost entirely of boneheads throwing the naziarms and shouting sieg heil as well as the bands doing the same.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:01 pm 
 

So, if I understand, that Valholl-Dum band were not actually a NS band, but rather, a bunch of NS bands used that band's name as a front, to "Trick" the promoter into letting them have their nazi gig.

So if that's the case... That is beyond chickenshit; it's bad enough that they have such a fucked up ideology, but to trash the reputation of a respectable band to play their crap, is really really fucking low.

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BasqueStorm
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:55 am 
 

OpsiusCato wrote:
At the request of dear handsome Eros, here's an English summary of the situation:
...

Thanks, OpsiusCato! I think that was perfectly what happened. :thumbsup:

P.S: Seems like Valhöll-Dûm is no more after they published a statement too.
And police tend to "protect the bad guys" in Spain, yeah. Ironically, this venue was quick to cancel a basque metal show (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berri_Txarrak) because of their "simphaty with basque political prisoners":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_conflict#Prisoners

What a shitty country we live in. :(
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:23 am 
 

Oxenkiller wrote:
So, if I understand, that Valholl-Dum band were not actually a NS band, but rather, a bunch of NS bands used that band's name as a front, to "Trick" the promoter into letting them have their nazi gig.

So if that's the case... That is beyond chickenshit; it's bad enough that they have such a fucked up ideology, but to trash the reputation of a respectable band to play their crap, is really really fucking low.


This. I'm also completely flabbergasted at how these fuckheads got to have their gig and goosestep away without a scratch while the band that had its identity stolen and the venue that got hoodwinked (plus advised to just suck it on their own by the goddamn police) are basically drowning in a shit tsunami. What in the actual fuck?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:36 pm 
 

In the additional notes:
Iberian Wolves split up due to problems arising from being considered a right-wing band.
It would be more accurate.
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BasqueStorm
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:53 pm 
 

Lord_Jotun wrote:
Plus advised to just suck it on their own by the goddamn police.

Yeah, they say they only can make something in the street. Cool, identify and process them because of preconstitucional symbology before/after the show:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbols_of_Francoism

false_icon wrote:
In the additional notes:
Iberian Wolves split up due to problems arising from being considered a right-wing band.
It would be more accurate.

I saw it:

Quote:
Iberian Wolves split up due to problems arising from being considered a right-wing band. In June 2016, they announced their reunion and the recording of a second album.

Seems like they keep on going after an hiatus.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:58 am 
 

Lord_Jotun wrote:
Oxenkiller wrote:
So, if I understand, that Valholl-Dum band were not actually a NS band, but rather, a bunch of NS bands used that band's name as a front, to "Trick" the promoter into letting them have their nazi gig.

So if that's the case... That is beyond chickenshit; it's bad enough that they have such a fucked up ideology, but to trash the reputation of a respectable band to play their crap, is really really fucking low.


This. I'm also completely flabbergasted at how these fuckheads got to have their gig and goosestep away without a scratch while the band that had its identity stolen and the venue that got hoodwinked (plus advised to just suck it on their own by the goddamn police) are basically drowning in a shit tsunami. What in the actual fuck?

Not only that, there's a police station near the venue. Pretty sure members of the police attended the show.

It should also be noted that the guitarist of Valholl-Dum plays in Iberian Wolves and the rest of the members of Valholl-Dum knew. Some of the members of the band have apparently left in the past few days because of it but all of them already knew about his ideas and were OK with it.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:47 am 
 

false_icon wrote:
In the additional notes:
Iberian Wolves split up due to problems arising from being considered a right-wing band.
It would be more accurate.


Well, it said "Iberian Wolves split up due to problems arising from being mistakenly considered a right-wing band" before my suggestion on October, 9th:
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/689705

They "are considered" a right-wing band because they actually are.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:51 pm 
 

Gravetemplar wrote:
Not only that, there's a police station near the venue. Pretty sure members of the police attended the show.
It should also be noted that the guitarist of Valholl-Dum plays in Iberian Wolves and the rest of the members of Valholl-Dum knew. Some of the members of the band have apparently left in the past few days because of it but all of them already knew about his ideas and were OK with it.

Since this info is not on Metal-Archives, source would be great, thanks.

BlackFlag wrote:
They "are considered" a right-wing band because they actually are.

Ok, thanks. :beer:

BasqueStorm wrote:
This happened this last weekend in Sala Caracol:
...

And, now, the other side of the coin:
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:30 pm 
 

Gravetemplar wrote:
(...) the guitarist of Valholl-Dum plays in Iberian Wolves (...)

Is there any way you can prove this? To update the info accordingly.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:51 am 
 

OpsiusCato wrote:
Gravetemplar wrote:
(...) the guitarist of Valholl-Dum plays in Iberian Wolves (...)

Is there any way you can prove this? To update the info accordingly.

Not sure what's proof enough to update this kind of stuff but I know people with friends in the band who recently posted info about this subject in socia media. I'll send you a PM.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:31 pm 
 

OpsiusCato wrote:
And now the venue is being accused of being NS and crucified by the public, as well as the band Valhöll-Dûm who wasn't even informed about or present at the gig. Oh and 4/6 of the Valhöll-Dûm members quit the band as a result from the harassment


Ah, makes you wonder who the real fasist are...

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:09 pm 
 

Gravetemplar wrote:
OpsiusCato wrote:
Gravetemplar wrote:
(...) the guitarist of Valholl-Dum plays in Iberian Wolves (...)

Is there any way you can prove this? To update the info accordingly.

Not sure what's proof enough to update this kind of stuff but I know people with friends in the band who recently posted info about this subject in socia media. I'll send you a PM.

Confirmation that some of the members of Valholl-Dum left the band:

https://www.fotoconciertos.com/caso-car ... lholl-dum/

Again, there are people in the comments claiming both band shared members and that the members of Valholl-Dum that recently left were aware of the show and had already liked the post from their guitarist in Facebook that announced it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:15 pm 
 

Gravetemplar wrote:
Not only that, there's a police station near the venue. Pretty sure members of the police attended the show.
It should also be noted that the guitarist of Valholl-Dum plays in Iberian Wolves and the rest of the members of Valholl-Dum knew. Some of the members of the band have apparently left in the past few days because of it but all of them already knew about his ideas and were OK with it.

BasqueStorm wrote:
Since this info is not on Metal-Archives, source would be great, thanks.

Wait, weren't we trying to find a source for this? :scratch:
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BasqueStorm wrote:
Gravetemplar wrote:
Not only that, there's a police station near the venue. Pretty sure members of the police attended the show.
It should also be noted that the guitarist of Valholl-Dum plays in Iberian Wolves and the rest of the members of Valholl-Dum knew. Some of the members of the band have apparently left in the past few days because of it but all of them already knew about his ideas and were OK with it.

BasqueStorm wrote:
Since this info is not on Metal-Archives, source would be great, thanks.

Wait, weren't we trying to find a source for this? :scratch:

Ah, I didn't know. Just type valholl dum on Twitter, that's how I found out.

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=valholl%20dum

https://twitter.com/Carol_Ingstad/statu ... 2347879425

https://twitter.com/Rattitude_/status/1 ... 0438829057

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Gravetemplar wrote:
BasqueStorm wrote:
Gravetemplar wrote:
Not only that, there's a police station near the venue. Pretty sure members of the police attended the show.
It should also be noted that the guitarist of Valholl-Dum plays in Iberian Wolves and the rest of the members of Valholl-Dum knew. Some of the members of the band have apparently left in the past few days because of it but all of them already knew about his ideas and were OK with it.

BasqueStorm wrote:
Since this info is not on Metal-Archives, source would be great, thanks.

Wait, weren't we trying to find a source for this? :scratch:

Ah, I didn't know. Just type valholl dum on Twitter, that's how I found out.

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=valholl%20dum

https://twitter.com/Carol_Ingstad/statu ... 2347879425

https://twitter.com/Rattitude_/status/1 ... 0438829057


In theory, Iberian Wolves Singer (Esteban Garrido) = Valholl Dum guitarist (Morghûl).

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Gravetemplar wrote:

Gravetemplar wrote:
In theory, Iberian Wolves Singer (Esteban Garrido) = Valholl Dum guitarist (Morghûl).

Not sure about it being a valid source but thanks, man. :beer:
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Gravetemplar wrote:
Not sure what's proof enough to update this kind of stuff but I know people with friends in the band who recently posted info about this subject in socia media. I'll send you a PM.

Right, forgot to mention I did get your PM. Thanks.
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