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Sedition and Pockets
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:16 pm 
 

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RugglesTx
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:38 pm 
 

Mellifleur wrote:
I think what he's saying is that because high quality care is technically available for billionaires, that means that "US health care" in the abstract is good. It's like saying that the housing situation in a country is good because its billionaires have the biggest mansions of any country. Cold comfort to the homeless people freezing in the streets below, imo. Maybe we're all just more selfish than ruggles because we feel that a statement like "america has good health care" should include us to be considered accurate, and not just the sliver of the population which can afford helicopters for their yachts, whereas ruggles is just happy that at least 1% is sitting pretty.


Billionaires are the only one who can afford health care...

That about sums up the utter crap spouted off by the left now, push by their ever growing victim mentality.

Honestly exactly how much liberty are you willing to trade to the federal govt for perceived security?

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."


Yall have fun, I moving on. I can not stand anymore of this lefty whining about how horrible you all have it living in the great country that I am wiling to bet the vast majority of you never raised a finger to keep free.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:43 pm 
 

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I am wiling to bet the vast majority of you never raised a finger to keep free.

Good. Compulsory military service is antithetical to the idea of a free society. Trump was a draft dodger, and if I were alive back in those days it's probably the only thing we'd have in common.

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Mellifleur
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:46 pm 
 

ok Mr. Literal. I'm not going to refrain from using a rhetorical device like obvious exaggeration because you choose to be obtuse. I obviously didn't mean only billionaires can afford any healthcare, but since you didn't disagree with my point that heath care is too expensive for too many people, by process of elimination you must agree. Since you are moving on, you won't be here to contradict me saying you concede my point, so this a complete debate victory for me! :D

As for the liberty thing... how much freedom do you really get to make use of when you are suffering from crippling medical conditions and crippling debt? All the people I know who carry these burdens do not seem to get much of their time or money to enjoy as they see fit. Can't spend a lot of time exploring the activities you want to explore to grow as an individual when you're too busy coughing up a lung and handing your entire paycheck over to medical creditors because *surprise*, that cancer specialist wasn't in-network.
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Sedition and Pockets
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:03 pm 
 

Wilytank wrote:
Good. Compulsory military service is antithetical to the idea of a free society. Trump was a draft dodger, and if I were alive back in those days it's probably the only thing we'd have in common.


I think that universal conscription is much less toxic to democracy than a military that consists of a class of professional Spartans.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:50 pm 
 

A situation like Vietnam says otherwise.

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"Swing voter" and hero of The Resistance John Roberts just voted to restrict legal immigration based on income.
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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:19 pm 
 

RugglesTx wrote:
Billionaires are the only one who can afford health care...

That about sums up the utter crap spouted off by the left now, push by their ever growing victim mentality.

That's the takeaway of someone with zero reading comprehension.

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Yall have fun, I moving on. I can not stand anymore of this lefty whining about how horrible you all have it living in the great country that I am wiling to bet the vast majority of you never raised a finger to keep free.

OK boomer

What a snowflake. Fucking lol, right-wingers are the most fragile idiots on the planet. Always running away when confronted by facts and reality.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:25 pm 
 

Wilytank wrote:
A situation like Vietnam says otherwise.


As opposed to the forever wars we've fought with our Myrmidons?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:33 pm 
 

Sedition and Pockets wrote:
Wilytank wrote:
A situation like Vietnam says otherwise.


As opposed to the forever wars we've fought with our Myrmidons?

You gonna tell a bunch of teenagers who don't want to be over there that them risking death, dismemberment, or lifetime trauma for a fucking oil company is the less "toxic" option?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:57 pm 
 

Wilytank wrote:
Sedition and Pockets wrote:
Wilytank wrote:
A situation like Vietnam says otherwise.


As opposed to the forever wars we've fought with our Myrmidons?

You gonna tell a bunch of teenagers who don't want to be over there that them risking death, dismemberment, or lifetime trauma for a fucking oil company is the less "toxic" option?


I'm saying that concentrating the burden of our "defense" on a tiny caste of professional warriors makes it much, much more likely that our teenagers will be sent to die for hydrocarbons.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:47 am 
 

Being anti-war but pro-draft is some galaxy brain take there, sis
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:56 am 
 

Morrigan wrote:
Being anti-war but pro-draft is some galaxy brain take there, sis


I think the evidence suggests that politicians are more apt to reach for military solutions when they don't really pay a political price for the human cost of war. The professionalization of the military effectively hides those costs from the public, and makes it easier for the political class to wage war for the interests of the donor base. The actual history of the professional army has born this out; the United States has engaged in far more numerous military interventions in the post-draft era than it did during the years of conscription. Ideally, I would like to see the entire institution of the military abolished, and the resources wasted on war dedicated to meeting the needs of the people, but practically speaking, this would entail the upending of our entire political system (which I'm totally down for, mind you). My issue is that under the conditions that prevail,. a narrow caste of professional warriors essentially separated out from the rest of society and tasked with inflicting violence on our behalf strikes me as fundamentally anti-democratic, and it greases the skids for the warmongers.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:14 am 
 

RugglesTx wrote:
Mellifleur wrote:
I think what he's saying is that because high quality care is technically available for billionaires, that means that "US health care" in the abstract is good. It's like saying that the housing situation in a country is good because its billionaires have the biggest mansions of any country. Cold comfort to the homeless people freezing in the streets below, imo. Maybe we're all just more selfish than ruggles because we feel that a statement like "america has good health care" should include us to be considered accurate, and not just the sliver of the population which can afford helicopters for their yachts, whereas ruggles is just happy that at least 1% is sitting pretty.


Billionaires are the only one who can afford health care...

That about sums up the utter crap spouted off by the left now, push by their ever growing victim mentality.

Honestly exactly how much liberty are you willing to trade to the federal govt for perceived security?

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."


Yall have fun, I moving on. I can not stand anymore of this lefty whining about how horrible you all have it living in the great country that I am wiling to bet the vast majority of you never raised a finger to keep free.


"Lifelong medical debt is freedom!!!" Incredible.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:28 am 
 

Wait, aren't most countries that have mandatory conscription some of the least warmongering in the world? This may just be a coincidence I guess, but I doubt it.

I'm not a tankie but I'm also finding it increasingly difficult to disagree on many of their core arguments. At the end of the day, if you're pro-union and against privatization of all necessary goods you're a friend in my book.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:53 am 
 

I'm anti war and pro draft. Let me explain. In Denmark, we have the draft - it's actually a weird lottery type thing, because we have a fairly small military and there's no space for all the 18 year olds - but when you're drafted you can't go to war. The draft is like a short (now, four months), super intense introduction to the military. If you like it, and you're good at it, you can apply to the professional army, where you receive a lot more specialized training and are then ready to deploy. So no one is forced to go to war, but some people are forced to go to the military.

(edit: Of course, if Sweden or whatever decided to invade Denmark, the draftees would be called up to defend the state/go to war. But that's a hypothetical. /edit)

The reason I like this system is that we don't have a military where all the grunts - and all the combat deaths - are poor, poc, lower class people with no other options than enlisting and all the officers are upper class dudes who went to a fancy school. If you accept the need states to have a military, I think it's better to have personnel from all backgrounds.

Of course, you should'nt use this military like the US. Or like Denmark, which cluelessly followed America into both Iraq and Afghanistan.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:17 am 
 

RugglesTx wrote:
I can not stand anymore of this lefty whining about how horrible you all have it living in the great country that I am wiling to bet the vast majority of you never raised a finger to keep free.


The majority of the GOP are chicken hawks who want to send men and women off to die in wars they start, but have never served themselves. Your god-king Trump was extra-cowardly to the point that not only didn't he serve (to the tune of four deferments), but he can't even look tough to foreign governments from the safety of his Twitter account.

Saying the "majority here probably wouldn't serve" means nothing since this site is an international community and was created in Canada, not the United States. Coupled with the notion that the majority of Trumpers also do not serve and are defined by such an extreme cowardice, they feel they need to carry around guns in public to feel safe from unarmed brown-skinned people and leftist hippies.

Oh, by the way, I did serve, bitch. I spent 2009 in Al Basra and Bernie Sanders is the best presidential candidate we've had in decades and Trump and the GOP supporting him are the worst things to ever happen to the United States and increasingly, among the worst things to happen to this fucking planet.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:28 am 
 

RugglesTx wrote:
I can not stand anymore of this lefty whining about how horrible you all have it living in the great country that I am wiling to bet the vast majority of you never raised a finger to keep free.


Ah, yes. Obviously your opinion on political issues is made completely invalid if you didn't sell your life to a government that doesn't care about you or the people you are "serving".
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:18 pm 
 

I think we can stop dunking on Ruggles now because it looks like he made good on his vow to screw you guys I'm going home, so let's move onto a much more cheerless topic like hundreds of California wells have cancer chemicals in them and it's getting into the drinking water supply. This is especially unsettling for me since just on monday there was a nice show on public radio about contamination in rural wells in the state where I live, which is not one known for having good infrastructure in general. :(
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:41 pm 
 

darkeningday wrote:
Wait, aren't most countries that have mandatory conscription some of the least warmongering in the world? This may just be a coincidence I guess, but I doubt it.

The idea suggests that the military composition is the root of the warmongering problem and not our bipartisan interventionalism.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:10 pm 
 

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droneriot wrote:
Hillary attacked Bernie again, that should give him at least a 20% boost in polls.


Now a second video of yet another paid staffer, Martin Weissgerber, calling for sending fellow Americans to gulags and murdering them will forever keep Sanders out of presidential contention. Bernie has yet to fire Kyle Jurek which tells me that Sanders is at least sympathetic to the extremists in his campaign.

A substantial minority of right-leaning individuals have long suspected Bernie of being a commie. Bernie is either unable or unwilling to condemn the far left rhetoric espoused by his own staff. He is done.


Two more paid staff have, again, expressed support for upending the US government and overthrowing capitalism. Still all four remain employed by the Sanders campaign and Sanders wont denounce these radical statements expressed by his staff. Im not trying to convince the BernieBros as Im sure a sizeable minority of them dream about violent revolution but if you are on the fence about voting for him be sure you understand they want to subvert our system. America is not perfect but it is pretty good.

Its important to draw a distinction between Bernies insane staffers and Sanders himself but its equally important to point out Bernie is NOT denouncing any of this extreme behavior.

Excerpts from the article:

A second field organizer identified as Mason Baird agreed that the Sanders campaign attracts people whose politics “fall well outside of the American norm” and have “more of a mind for direct action, for engaging in politics outside of the electoral system.”

“I’ve canvassed with someone who’s, like, an anarchist, and I’ve canvassed with someone who’s more of a Marxist/Leninist, so we attract radical, like truly radical people to the campaign,” said Mr. Baird in the video. “But that’s obviously that’s not outward-facing.”

Mr. Taylor also emphasized the importance of keeping such information quiet, at least for the time being.

“We don’t want to scare people off, so you’ve kind of got to feel it out first before you get into the crazy stuff,” Mr.Taylor said. “You know, we were talking about more extreme organizations and stuff like antifa, you were talking about the ‘yellow vests,’ all that, but we’re kind of keeping that on the back burner for right now.”

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> wants to get rid of capitalism because it's a shit system
> "oh my god, won't anyone rid me of these vile radical extremists"
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:15 pm 
 

Wilytank wrote:
darkeningday wrote:
Wait, aren't most countries that have mandatory conscription some of the least warmongering in the world? This may just be a coincidence I guess, but I doubt it.

The idea suggests that the military composition is the root of the warmongering problem and not our bipartisan interventionalism.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:21 pm 
 

Derigin wrote:
> wants to get rid of capitalism because it's a shit system
> "oh my god, won't anyone rid me of these vile radical extremists"


I mean, wanting to get rid of capitalism entirely is a pretty radical position to take. And it's far past the social democratic reform territory where Bernie is situated. But yeah, Musick is just fearmongering.

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If that's the absolute best James fucking O'Keefe can deceptively edit his way through a video on, Bernie's running a tighter ship than I'd ever imagined! :lol: Those comments though, wow. A Jew really scares these people I guess.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:13 pm 
 

Sigh... When oh when will people stop taking fucking O'Keefe seriously?? C'mon people. It's long since gotten to the point where you know that anything produced by him or his Project Veritas is the exact opposite of what it seems. He's the easiest political troll to dismiss in the history of political trolls.
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Slate gonna Slate...

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:52 am 
 

Mellifleur wrote:

As for the liberty thing... how much freedom do you really get to make use of when you are suffering from crippling medical conditions and crippling debt? All the people I know who carry these burdens do not seem to get much of their time or money to enjoy as they see fit. Can't spend a lot of time exploring the activities you want to explore to grow as an individual when you're too busy coughing up a lung and handing your entire paycheck over to medical creditors because *surprise*, that cancer specialist wasn't in-network.



Exactly. I have been thinking this for years.

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Pretty much this trial got hosed with no witnesses especially with Bolton basically spilling the beans. What a joke. People like Graham and Cruz who Trump completely lambasted are falling all over him without question. Get insulted, then just bend over for him. Where’s the logic in that. Goodbye Gardner, McSally, and a few more. You just got a lot of people really pissed off.

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I'm glad it's over. We all knew from the beginning it would end this way, so lamenting it now is just a waste. Pelosi should have just sat on the articles forever. They got the impeachment, why even bother throwing that victory away by handing Trump an exoneration? Or better yet, why not just skip the impeachment entirely since the conclusion is preordained and spend the entire time beating republicans over the head with a campaign platform of medicare for all and no social security cuts?

I spoze there's a case to be made that it was the responsible constitutionalist thing to do because in a strictly factual sense, Trump actually did the crimes he's accused of, and technically when you do crimes you're supposed to get busted, but we all know the *real* truth that politics is all political, so this was all ultimately futile. Not to mention the whole ukraine affair is so boring and bureaucratic, exactly nobody who wasn't already in the #resistance actually cares about the minutia of this case. The democrats really don't seem to get that Trump's supporters know he's a crook, they just feel like he's a crook on their side. The fact that he did crooked stuff to bust Biden would be a good thing because Biden is one of the badguys in the conservative moral universe. Proving with perfect logic and reason that he's a crook doesn't actually move the needle on his political support/opposition so hammering way on it so much is ineffectual politics.
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I thought Last Week Tonight had made a good case for impeachment even without a convinction.
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No spoilers! I'm currently behind on that show by every episode! :P
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The election in November is already illegitimate on the Republican side, considering that Trump was impeached for election tampering and it’s extremely obvious at this point that he did the stuff he was accused of. The Senate Republicans just gave Trump carte blanch to rig the election in any way he sees fit; If he wins, there can be no confidence that this was a fair and free election in any way, shape, or form, and if he loses, who’s to say he doesn’t attempt to maintain power through extrajudicial means?

This sham of a “trial” just opened up a MASSIVE can of worms that can’t be resealed. Trump, and any future president, is now able to break the law openly and blatantly and get away with it.
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...you realize election sabotage is the only way the modern GOP has ANY relevance today? Trying to get Trump reelected is BY FAR their best case scenario, so of course they're gonna go with the nuclear option if it helps maintain a Republican admin. GOP stopped caring about institutions and the 'idea' of America the day Reagan stepped into the White House. The Democrats weren't far behind.
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Mellifleur wrote:
No spoilers! I'm currently behind on that show by every episode! :P


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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This senate trial has been an abomination and more proof than ever that we need massive government reform. It is already proven that the charges against Trump are true yet the senate is going to clear him because they are afraid of him. Every week of this presidency, there has been something unprecedented that has occurred and the republicans are are allowing it.

Trump has been allowed to lie, cheat and attempt to rig elections and the republicans will have to pay for this one day. They are essentially setting a precedent that the president is above the law. Rubio's statement is proof of that. "Just because actions meet a standard for impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a president from office." What the actual fuck?

To the point above from Subrick, Trump has been given the green light to rig this election.

That being said, if it's true that Biden is negotiating with Hillary to be his VP pick, Trump won't even need to rig it to win...

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Bingewolf wrote:
That being said, if it's true that Biden is negotiating with Hillary to be his VP pick, Trump won't even need to rig it to win...


It'd be suicide, but Biden has a long history of failed presidential bids, so why not?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:37 pm 
 

Biden won’t pick a septuagenarian as a running mate. He’ll pick someone fairly young and a bit more progressive to balance the ticket. The rumor is that if he wins he’ll only serve one term since he knows he’s long for the tooth. Everyone is still saying Stacey Abrams will be his pick if he gets the nod. Now if it’s Sanders i’d be curious who he’d pick as his running mate; I don’t think it’ll be Turner or Gabbard, he’ll want to balance his ticket as well.

Okay. Two can play at this game. If Trump can use a foreign power to get dirt on his opponents, we could get China or Iran to get dirt on Trump. The senate just made it legal now so fuck it. Like I said the Republicans in purple states are near DOA (Gardner, McSally, Collins, maybe Tillis, maybe Ernst, as well as one of the GA senate seats may be in play since Doug Collins threw his hat in the ring against Loeffler) We will remember in November.

GDP grew only 2.3% last year. Didn’t Trump say the economy would be growing at 3 or 4 %? And even after a ridiculous tax cut. Looks to more more like the same growth Obama had with a lower outlook for this year with stagnant wage growth. They need to beat that over Trump’s head.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:33 pm 
 

Bingewolf wrote:

That being said, if it's true that Biden is negotiating with Hillary to be his VP pick, Trump won't even need to rig it to win...

Outside of an opinion piece on The Hill I haven't seen or heard any talk of that whatsoever.

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