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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:15 pm 
 

NoSoup4you wrote:
First of all, dursted doesn't mean I'm just here to screw things up - aside from one incident (which I don't regret,) I was (and am, but less frequently now) a normally functioning contributor to MA. It's just easier for you to think of me as no longer a human being, since I don't agree with you. I haven't "disrespected" your decision, but I do want to know if you consulted anyone before making it.

The band is blatantly not -metal and was requsted as such on the forum. It was not a major band like Skinlab, so consulation are not needed. Besides, you are not in postion to question any decisions.
That you do not regret your act of vandalism means that you should be banned from here to eternity. That does not make you less a human, but a blatant childish moron with no respect for others, that should be kept in distance from here.
You cannot be a valid contributor, since you have been banned. If you have registered under another account, then certainly not with an expressed content from the admins.

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NoSoup4you
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:28 pm 
 

1: If it was blatantly not metal, there would be a decent consensus on the issue.

2: Everyone is in a position to question decisions.

3: Can elitism and respect for others coexist?

4: If you want me to stop contributing entirely, I will. No skin off my back.

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Napero
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:35 pm 
 

NoSoup4you wrote:
1: If it was blatantly not metal, there would be a decent consensus on the issue.

2: Everyone is in a position to question decisions.

3: Can elitism and respect for others coexist?

4: If you want me to stop contributing entirely, I will. No skin off my back.

Now, let's calm down here. It's just a band, nothing more. I don't have the time nor the energy to listen to Rosetta right now, I've processed something like 350 reviews during the past week, but I'm quite confident that Witcher's reasoning can be scrutinized and found to be sound. Whining will not change that.

As far as point 1 goes, there is a consesus: you're the only one who keeps arguing that, everybody else seems to be more or less cool with it. Point 2 is valid, but politeness would be a better way. Any consequences that might befall you are a result of you behaviour, not the question. Point 3, well, the answer is "yes", I do respect most people, but I am undeniably a part of the Nordic Elite Thrash Commando's Cannon Fodder Brigade. Point 4? Not a bad idea, actually, unless you get yourself to behave well enough.

NoSoup4you wrote:
First of all, dursted doesn't mean I'm just here to screw things up - aside from one incident (which I don't regret,) I was (and am, but less frequently now) a normally functioning contributor to MA.

You have a problematic attitude there. Tr00ness finds strange outlets, and one of them is promoting gay sex to Christians.
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NoSoup4you
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:53 pm 
 

I quote from another board:

EternalSillyness | Posted 11/30/2008 12:59:27 PM

...

Can we picket their admins or something to get them back?

Thelyon | Posted 11/30/2008 1:01:14 PM

Lol.

Ireviewgames | Posted 11/30/2008 1:15:47 PM

Don't worry, guys, they know what's up.

Rush was always more metal than TDEP, anyway.


My "problematic" attitude comes from other people talking down to me right off the bat, and trying to belittle me every post with the vandalism. I'm only saying what I need to say.

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WoopWoop
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:21 pm 
 

If you want to talk about childish, how about banning people that disagree with you...

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Rob1
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:21 am 
 

WoopWoop wrote:
If you want to talk about childish, how about banning people that disagree with you...


I don't think it will be a question of banning people because they don't agree with the admins/moderators but more a question of banning people for being unable to cope with the set rules.

Since this is a PRIVATE site, the owners can set up a set of rules. If everyone coming here abides by those rules no problems will come of that.
If people constantly try to bend those rules they will annoy the admins/moderators and then it is only logical that they will be threatened to be banned.

Constantly pestering people about decisions that are clearly stated in the rules is just that. Banning can then only be a logical conclusion of facts!

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Xyllon
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:03 pm 
 

Absu (Ita)/ Void of Naxir have the same demo released: only the logo changes on the cover

same tracks, same cover (only different logo)

Shouldn't one of the 2 disappear?

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:21 pm 
 

I deleted the newest entry "Absu (Ita)" and renamed Void of Naxir into Absu (Ita) as this was their first monicker. The demo released under Void of Naxir being the re-release.

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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:48 pm 
 

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=6930
The same demo "Vama Marga: is listed on Disiplin page:
http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=19913
http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=22964

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morbert
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:02 am 
 

NoSoup4you wrote:
Rush was always more metal than TDEP, anyway. [/i]


I always found it strange that Rush is on MA while Uriah Heep isnt since Uriah has always been way more 'metal' than Rush....

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Human666
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:43 pm 
 

Why this band http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540268764
got accepted?
There isn't any proof for a physical release.

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Manic616
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Location: United Kingdom
PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:51 pm 
 

Human666 wrote:
Why this band http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540268764
got accepted?
There isn't any proof for a physical release.

The user may have added them with information and links regarding the physical release, and seeing as it was accepted this year when the mods are strict about the rules I would assume this would be the case.

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:56 pm 
 

You'll find lots of bands which don't have the proof of physical release appearing directly on the page. The proof is often just shown to the mods for acceptance.

From the MySpace page:
"Hacksaw Brainsurgery" - 5 track CD-r demo

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Human666
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:03 pm 
 

Cd-r, but there is only a download link, not any option to buy it or a reference to any label.

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PiotrB
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:08 pm 
 

then ask them : Can I buy it?

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:24 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=114240
Release :
"Grave Waltz"

this release does not exist ... at least not for this band. I will have to explain why:

1.
http://www.mikseri.net/artists/?id=100973
I started Destructrum in 2007 for I wanted to create something different than I'm used to. Two songs shall be burned on the "Grave Waltz" -album of Misanthropenum.

2.
see here:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=114647
Grave Waltz Demo, 2007
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Kommando78
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:21 pm 
 

Gasmah

There is no logo, band picture, album cover, release picture, links, ETC.
Why are they accepted

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:03 am 
 

Kommando78 wrote:
Gasmah

There is no logo, band picture, album cover, release picture, links, ETC.
Why are they accepted

Do you know certainly that they have no release?
If not, do not report them. There are hunderds of bands without logos or links, which have valid releases or which had valid links back when they were accepted.

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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 7:10 pm 
 

Alfheim:
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=22232
This band hasn't released anything. "Servants of the Winter" is the demo of the band Blizzard (Lva), here is the cover:
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj20 ... Winter.gif
The information comes from the band member, according to him Alfheim had "only few songs with shitty lyrics", in 1994 line-up has changed and the name was changed to Blizzard.

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Nightgaunt
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:23 pm 
 

Removed Alfheim.
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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:26 am 
 

oneyoudontknow wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=114240
Release :
"Grave Waltz"

this release does not exist ... at least not for this band. I will have to explain why:

1.
http://www.mikseri.net/artists/?id=100973
I started Destructrum in 2007 for I wanted to create something different than I'm used to. Two songs shall be burned on the "Grave Waltz" -album of Misanthropenum.

2.
see here:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=114647
Grave Waltz Demo, 2007

what about this?
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and:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=68873
I sent them a mail on the issue of the missing release and I got the reply that a CD has never been releases; only MP3s at MySpace exist.
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Catachthonian
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:36 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=5881 - I know, it's a precursor to Helloween, but there're no releases.
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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:15 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=61545

Could someone of those familair with Russian check of the band is already here under a different spelling? The release exists, I have found it thtough the Wayback Machine, but perhaps the label from Brazil got the name wrong: DNEPRO "Dnepro".

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Catachthonian
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:28 pm 
 

No, it is one and only, there are no similar entries. Although the band name is kind of strange, because it's Dnepr in Russian and Dnipro in Ukrainian.
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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:26 pm 
 

Catachthonian wrote:
No, it is one and only, there are no similar entries. Although the band name is kind of strange, because it's Dnepr in Russian and Dnipro in Ukrainian.

I don't see anything strange in that name, it's usual thing to say "Dnepro" for Russian-speakers, not in literary Russian though, but still quite widespread, just search for "Dnepro" in Google.

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Catachthonian
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:32 pm 
 

Hmm, seems you're actually right. I guess it's much more common for southern dialects.
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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:51 pm 
 

As for the band itself, I've never heard about it. I have a suspicion (but that's only a suspicion!) that it could be this release:
http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=70241
That band was originally called Dnipro 14/88 (but again, why "Dnepro" and Russian), could be a label's mistake, especially considering the fact that it can't be found in any other distros.

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:36 pm 
 

^ that is the reason I am asking about this band... It is very suspicious.
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the_bard_of_osyrhia
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:20 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
The band is blatantly not -metal and was requsted as such on the forum. It was not a major band like Skinlab, so consulation are not needed. Besides, you are not in postion to question any decisions.
That you do not regret your act of vandalism means that you should be banned from here to eternity. That does not make you less a human, but a blatant childish moron with no respect for others, that should be kept in distance from here.
You cannot be a valid contributor, since you have been banned. If you have registered under another account, then certainly not with an expressed content from the admins.


Sorry, I do not wish to cause any trouble but would it be possible for you to post the reasons that you do not think Rosetta are metal?

I, for one, think that they are certainly as metal as a band like Isis who remain on the site. They do have ambient parts but they still have a great deal of metal parts and are firmly rooted in the post-metal genre in my opinion.

Anyway, I was just wondering why you think they are not metal.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:32 pm 
 

the_bard_of_osyrhia wrote:
Witcher wrote:
The band is blatantly not -metal and was requsted as such on the forum. It was not a major band like Skinlab, so consulation are not needed. Besides, you are not in postion to question any decisions.
That you do not regret your act of vandalism means that you should be banned from here to eternity. That does not make you less a human, but a blatant childish moron with no respect for others, that should be kept in distance from here.
You cannot be a valid contributor, since you have been banned. If you have registered under another account, then certainly not with an expressed content from the admins.


Sorry, I do not wish to cause any trouble but would it be possible for you to post the reasons that you do not think Rosetta are metal?

I, for one, think that they are certainly as metal as a band like Isis who remain on the site. They do have ambient parts but they still have a great deal of metal parts and are firmly rooted in the post-metal genre in my opinion.

Anyway, I was just wondering why you think they are not metal.

Post-metal means nothing, such metal genre does not exist, so do not argument with it.
There is no valid genre of metal, that would be definable as post-metal.
Rosetta sounds too alternative, hardcore based. I have already explained it. Their songwriting is more similar to Deftones than Crowbar.

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the_bard_of_osyrhia
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:36 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Post-metal means nothing, such metal genre does not exist, so do not argument with it.
Rosetta sounds too alternative, hardcore based. I have already explained it. Their songwriting is more similar to Deftones than Crowbar.


Post-metal as a term sounds rather foolish and is misleading but I believe the genre does exist as bands like Cult of Luna, Isis, Pelican, Rosetta, Callisto etc. all have very defining characteristics that are far from doom/ sludge/ any other defined metal genre. I believe that is why the term post-metal is used. I would rather it be a term that actually made sense rather than one which clearly does not, as metal is not over so there can be no 'post-metal', but while it is in use I will use it to refer to such bands as it is easier to say than some contrived genre such as 'doom/ sludge/ ambient/ hardcore/ progressive metal'.

Just wanted to say that. In reply to your actual post I disagree that Rosetta are too alternative/ hardcore-based but of course it is not my site and I have no power over the entries so I shall back down.
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Rob1
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:01 am 
 

The fact that bands call it Post Metal means that they imply to have nothing to do with metal. So no space for them on pages that are dedicated to metal in its various forms!?

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Catachthonian
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:10 am 
 

Fulgurius wrote:
http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=70241

Was that album ever released on tape?
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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:27 am 
 

Catachthonian wrote:
Fulgurius wrote:
http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=70241

Was that album ever released on tape?

Yes:
http://www.vacula.org.ua/ua/distro/mcs.html

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Catachthonian
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:36 am 
 

So these must be two different bands, I suppose, as there is no way one can misspell the same word twice. It clearly reads "Dnipro" on the cover.
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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:26 am 
 

Catachthonian wrote:
So these must be two different bands, I suppose, as there is no way one can misspell the same word twice. It clearly reads "Dnipro" on the cover.

I think it's still possible, it's hard to figure out the name Lut' from the cover, only Dnipro 14/88, the man could misread it as Dnepro and put for both band's and album's name... I don't know... The only way to know is to ask the distro's owner for cover picture, but as the distro was closed, the are little chances for that.

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Catachthonian
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:11 am 
 

Well, we could try to e-mail the guy(s) behin the distro, even if it's closed.
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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:37 am 
 

Catachthonian wrote:
Well, we could try to e-mail the guy(s) behin the distro, even if it's closed.

[email protected]
good luck
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Catachthonian
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:52 am 
 

Actually, the archived website lists a diferent email: [email protected].
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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:13 pm 
 

Catachthonian wrote:
Actually, the archived website lists a diferent email: [email protected].

Ok... I did not found this one. The one mentioned by me appeared on a glog with a list of labels... I think yours is better.
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