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Rogneda
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:23 am 
 

FW: Statement from KRODA (UKR)
From: Kroda
Date: 30 июн 2009, 14:59
Subject: Witch-hunt and holy inquisition?!


As everyone should already know, in the beginning of European mini-tour, KRODA band was attacked by a bunch of jackals before the gig in Warsaw, Poland. We were changing our clothes dressing in concert uniform and just took away our stuff from mini-bus in the street near club. At this time, rain of glass bottles fell upon us... Right then, attackers used pepper-sprays and tried to beat us by telescopic cudgels. They were in red and black masks and shouted «AFA!», so we’ve made a conclusion about what subculture they belong to.
Before this event, we were not too interested in this movement, but after things that happened, we studied their websites deeper. We have found there a lot of mentions about our band defined as NSBM. It would be good to make a brief digression to the history of music (not for antifa, but for listeners of Pagan Metal, and Metal music in general).
It seems antifa don’t know what is NSBM, if they use this stereotype towards our band. NSBM are bands like DER STURMER or THOR'S HAMMER, for example; i.e. formations where basic themes are political and social aspects, aesthetics of Third Reich etc. But KRODA (even purely stylistics-..wise) is Pagan Metal. In difference from NSBM, in Pagan Metal (just look at the name, it’s obvious) there’s no political component. Lyrical side of Pagan Metal is Antiquity, Traditionalism,.. Ancestral Roots Pride (those able to read – just look at KRODA texts published on our official site). And still we want to say that our group is OUT of modern politics.
During the last time, Metal scene is infiltrated by left-side punks with their poor, perverted understanding of metal and its aesthetics. Their knowledge about facts and concepts of metal genres are narrow, but despite their profanity, those people (practically aliens to metal subculture) are trying to dictate their ultimatum conditions to Metal bands; trying to sort the bands (according to their "punk" concepts) and separate them into "correct" and "incorrect". And the bands, defined by those conceptually/..politically/..musically incompetent marginals as “non-correct”, are exposed to physical and psychological attacks of "..anti-..fascists". In general, those antifa “people” don’t listen to Metal music at all, but they already wish to dictate what music we have to play, what we must sing, what gigs we can go to, and which concerts are not to be visited. They command to zines, distributors and labels – who must be boycotted, and who are to be promoted. They know nothing about the concept of our creativity, but their sick ideas make them desperately try to prevent our gigs, try to beat fans of Pagan Metal at random; aspire to harm musicians in every possible way, to trouble us, damage our stuff, cars, instruments, our Metal clubs and concert equipment. They act like a riot rampage gang, while their official propaganda is anti-violence. They struggle for something like equality, but in fact, someone is «more equal» for them. Everywhere, they declare their aspiration to preserve another cultures, but at the same time they promote destruction of own European culture in every possible way. Those people stepped too far and lost the feeling of reality. They are just lazy fuckers who want nothing to do, so they seek the enemies everywhere, suspicious to any runic inscription on T-shirts, disks etc. They are going to continue their insolent dictate and force us all to accept their idiotic "conditions" and "demands". The only thing they understand is brutal force. Until Pagan Metal fans, bands and gigs promoters/..organizers are tolerate this leftist riot, it will just grow, though even here and now this is almost a red terror.
Everyone who obediently agrees with cancels and impossibility of fave bands gigs, everyone who estimate the "conditions" dictated by aggressive bunch of shameless red hooligans, everyone who directly or indirectly submits to the "regime” those strangers try to impose to the whole Pagan Metal scene – they all just unwillingly support the further escalation of this brutal tyranny and oppression of our interests.
Today, some punk scum dictate you what music you have to listen, what concerts to visit, what clothes is “allowed to wear” and what is “prohibited”, what bands we can act with and who are “wrong” - tomorrow they will ask you for report what you eat, what books do you read, what do you think about, what words did you say, with whom do you make love, where do you live and how much money you earn. We are the only ones to take back our right to listen the music we want, to go to the gigs we wish to visit.
If you want to be yourself and act following your heart – so it’s time to say "stop" to antifa riot in Pagan Metal.
It’s time to be self-organized and strike back in reply to any act of insolent leftists. Let it be tradition and a rule among your friends to come at gigs together, in well-organized SOBER groups. Watch the concert hall. By yourself, kick antifa spies away from halls and clubs, kick away every boor trying to confuse you when you listening to music. If those people don’t respect our rights, our fave bands and our Ancestral Faith – so it’s their own guilt, and we don’t wanna tolerate their intervention anymore. In the street you must always have all the self-defense stuff allowed in your country. If someone try to attack - you have a right to self-defense, to use all the possible means to protect yourself and your relatives. Having some times received a strong straight repulse from numerous Pagan Metal fans, red ass bastards will think thrice – is it good idea to make us trouble next time. Let them protect gay-parades and rastafarian marches. If that brainless goblins consider scientific terms "Aryan" and "Race" associated with "fascism", if traditional European Runes and Sunwheels are "nazism" – so let them not even try to discuss the themes of Black and Pagan Metal at all.

Summing up: We call all the listeners, musicians, labels, zines connected with Pagan and Black Metal to answer every antifa boycott of our music and bands with counter boycott. Don’t let them manipulate you! Don’t let them to destroy Pagan Metal subculture and our European traditional culture. Strike them back on psychological and bureaucratic level, as well as by physical action. Gangs of that scum must be recognized as criminal and determined as «outlaw» as they already done it with you for a long time. Guilty will be punished.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:03 am 
 

I do NOT endorse the attack against the Kroda members. Only some parts of the above text call for an answer.

Rogneda wrote:
During the last time, Metal scene is infiltrated by left-side punks

I just remember the good ole 80's when no skinhead would attend a Thrash Metal gig without getting beaten. Revisionism in metal history?
Rogneda wrote:
and now this is almost a red terror.

Help, KGB is back...
Rogneda wrote:
scientific terms "Aryan" and "Race"

One word seems too much in this sentence. It must be "scientific".
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Glory to Our Gods!

Hail Satan! :durr:

As a side note on the general tone of the above statement, it strikes me that right-wing tactic is the same as Jew's one - always posing as victims...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:21 am 
 

Rogneda wrote:
It seems antifa don’t know what is NSBM, if they use this stereotype towards our band. NSBM are bands like DER STURMER or THOR'S HAMMER, for example; i.e. formations where basic themes are political and social aspects, aesthetics of Third Reich etc. But KRODA (even purely stylistics-..wise) is Pagan Metal. In difference from NSBM, in Pagan Metal (just look at the name, it’s obvious) there’s no political component. Lyrical side of Pagan Metal is Antiquity, Traditionalism,.. Ancestral Roots Pride (those able to read – just look at KRODA texts published on our official site). And still we want to say that our group is OUT of modern politics.

Yeah, Kroda being a member of "Opposition" union together with at least one nsbm/rac band, putting out a split with the nsbm band Velimor on Stellar Winter, doing cover versions of Absurd, Honor and Sokyra Peruna, using German or German-styled titles and, finally, appealing to certain elements of Scandinavian mythology - apparently, all these aren't enough to establish a solid connection between Kroda and right-wing "scene". :rolleyes:
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:24 am 
 

A non-German band using words like "Kulturkampf" might also have a certain influence on the 'objective observer' obviously. Even if you are not NS.
But hey, if they're singing about "Ancestral Roots Pride" and, as they say, carry around some "traditional European Runes and Sunwheels" (which you just know will be interpretated in a certain way by many, many people due to 'some historical event' so don't pretend to be stupid), you just have to live with the fact that some towelheadhuggers might come after you.

What I mean is, if you take a stance, you will have opposition. Don't whine, fight back. Be a man.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:28 am 
 

I am disappointed that they did not take a combative stance, but I still support them; the antifa are scum, worse than NS. They attack "suspects", basically anyone politically ambiguous, their attack methods? They attack outnumbering 20 to 1 with pepper spray and bats. I know that when NS fight it's much more fair than that.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:41 am 
 

BCF wrote:
I know that when NS fight it's much more fair than that.

Bullshit.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:49 am 
 

BCF wrote:
They attack outnumbering 20 to 1 with pepper spray and bats.

I believe you've just described typical Russian skinheads (they usually use knives and armature rods instead of bats and pepper spray, though).
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:45 am 
 

Meh, there's something inherently funny about a nazi complaining about their freedom not being respected.
And they aren't any better than those they whine against, if they call all "pagan metal fans" to physically beat those antifa guys.

Couldn't care less about this.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:20 am 
 

I greatly enjoy Kroda's music, and from most of their lyrics that i've read, they don't show much of these nazi ideologies, but their site is full of nazism, and I despise this kind of ideology, and in my mind, both these neonazis(disguised as just "pagans") and that antifa fuckers are shit from the same bag.You can't preach moral if you don't have any, demand respect from other people if you don't respect anybody who isn't from your cute little gang or expect people to preserve your freedom of expression if your goal is to destroy the freedom of others.

This don't mean that I support people beating the shit out of nazis, or antifacists(well, just in defense, but thats other thing.)

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:23 am 
 

CrippledLucifer wrote:
Meh, there's something inherently funny about a nazi complaining about their freedom not being respected.


Hah, indeed. Kroda are an excellent band, but should keep their mouths shut about this stuff, as it not only makes them look hypocritical (as you stated) but simply foolish. If you put a huge swastika (albeit one made of flowers) in the tray card of an album that has at least two songs directly referring to how glorious it would be to rid Ukraine of Jews, you haven't really got a leg to stand on. "Oh, we're Pagan nationalists, not Nazis" - pull the other one, it's got a balaclava and pepper spray on.
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Kroda = bunch of pussies.
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Tantalus wrote:
CrippledLucifer wrote:
Meh, there's something inherently funny about a nazi complaining about their freedom not being respected.


Hah, indeed. Kroda are an excellent band, but should keep their mouths shut about this stuff, as it not only makes them look hypocritical (as you stated) but simply foolish. If you put a huge swastika (albeit one made of flowers) in the tray card of an album that has at least two songs directly referring to how glorious it would be to rid Ukraine of Jews, you haven't really got a leg to stand on. "Oh, we're Pagan nationalists, not Nazis" - pull the other one, it's got a balaclava and pepper spray on.


The swastika belongs to many viewpoints, and not specifically to Nazism. One of these viewpoints would be neopaganism. If they don't want their band to be labeled as a NSBM band, then they can say so if they please.

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t1337Dude wrote:
Tantalus wrote:
CrippledLucifer wrote:
Meh, there's something inherently funny about a nazi complaining about their freedom not being respected.


Hah, indeed. Kroda are an excellent band, but should keep their mouths shut about this stuff, as it not only makes them look hypocritical (as you stated) but simply foolish. If you put a huge swastika (albeit one made of flowers) in the tray card of an album that has at least two songs directly referring to how glorious it would be to rid Ukraine of Jews, you haven't really got a leg to stand on. "Oh, we're Pagan nationalists, not Nazis" - pull the other one, it's got a balaclava and pepper spray on.


The swastika belongs to many viewpoints, and not specifically to Nazism. One of these viewpoints would be neopaganism. If they don't want their band to be labeled as a NSBM band, then they can say so if they please.


Yawn. Read the whole post. They combine nationalist imagery with openly anti-Semitic lyrics. They are NSBM. I personally don't give a flying fuck that they are, because they're great, but they are NSBM.
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t1337Dude wrote:
Tantalus wrote:
CrippledLucifer wrote:
Meh, there's something inherently funny about a nazi complaining about their freedom not being respected.


Hah, indeed. Kroda are an excellent band, but should keep their mouths shut about this stuff, as it not only makes them look hypocritical (as you stated) but simply foolish. If you put a huge swastika (albeit one made of flowers) in the tray card of an album that has at least two songs directly referring to how glorious it would be to rid Ukraine of Jews, you haven't really got a leg to stand on. "Oh, we're Pagan nationalists, not Nazis" - pull the other one, it's got a balaclava and pepper spray on.


The swastika belongs to many viewpoints, and not specifically to Nazism. One of these viewpoints would be neopaganism. If they don't want their band to be labeled as a NSBM band, then they can say so if they please.

Don't expect people to view things the same way you do.
I know that the swastika originally was a symbol of good luck in many regions, but sadly, most people don't, so when they see a swastika in a album cover, logo or wahetever, they will think in nazism, not in paganism.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:37 am 
 

I'm all for beating up Nazis, but Kroda, whether it's for PR's sake, or they're being truthful, don't seem to be Nazis, but rather "zealous" about their heritage***. The problem with this though, they claim they have no political message, but they let NSBM distros, and bands, WITH a message support them, which ties them to the guilty. Anyone who supports an ideological brain fart like National Socialism, in anyway, should be stamped out.


Up the punx.


***i've listened to Kroda times, but never owned anyhting of theirs or read their lyrics. So i'm going by this "statement."

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Tantalus wrote:
If you put a huge swastika (albeit one made of flowers) in the tray card of an album that has at least two songs directly referring to how glorious it would be to rid Ukraine of Jews, you haven't really got a leg to stand on. "Oh, we're Pagan nationalists, not Nazis" - pull the other one, it's got a balaclava and pepper spray on.

Are you suggesting that NS-types are pulling at AntiFa legs because they are jealous that they don't have their own legs to stand on? And is this the reason why AFA has taken the (frankly drastic) step of disguising their legs in balaclavas, and booby-trapping them with pepper spray? What a surreal world we live in. End the war: Prosthetic legs for NS black metallers! :D


Authoritarianism and good music don't mix. Both of these sides are authoritarian (NS & AntiFa), telling others what they can and cannot do/say/be. I am not including Kroda amongst this as I don't know anything about them or their beliefs, though I get a fairly good idea from the article. NS and AntiFa are fighting factions basically, like football firms. Let them fight amongst themselves, but when they attack people outside of their enemy fighting club, they are in the wrong. Always.

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This is about the least convincing attempt ever to "distance" a band from the right wing recruitment scene. Very obnoxious in the use of the "leftist" boogeyman and "it's just pride, bro", with the "leftists want to destroy our culture" line. Plus positioning themselves as defenders of "metal culture' or whatever is lame when they're obviously a recruitment vehicle.

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I don't care whether or not Kroda is Nazi (I believe at least Eisenslav is, BTW, due to interviews and past clothing choices, but I digress). The point of their rant is that European whites have just as much of a right to preserve and defend our cultures as any other people. The hypocrisy of groups like Antifa is that they are racist anti-whites who wish to suppress any form of traditional European expression for fear of our collective power.

There will never truly be equality when one group, no matter how large, is not given the same rights that any other group has. If other groups are encouraged to be proud of their heritage, and yet whites are intimidated into giving up our right to cultural expression (and yet our children are forced by our society to "embrace" other cultures against our will), then there will never be true equality.

Unequal rights + unequal responsibility =/= equality.

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samekh wrote:
There will never truly be equality when one group, no matter how large, is not given the same rights that any other group has. If other groups are encouraged to be proud of their heritage, and yet whites are intimidated into giving up our right to cultural expression (and yet our children are forced by our society to "embrace" other cultures against our will), then there will never be true equality.

Unequal rights + unequal responsibility =/= equality.


Ugh, precisely. This sort of "revenge racism" that goes on in the West at the moment is ridiculous. Okay, whitey did some nasty stuff to darky, now build a bridge and we'll all be happy.

But no, they just get free university instead. People wonder why racism still exists [in the West]! :grr:

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The problem with most of these bands is that they can't seem to advocate "cultural preservation" without also openly or passively advocating racism and oppression and directly or indirectly glorifying Nazism.

Also, an American (or really any member of a group living in a place where that group is in the majority or plurality or has historical "claim" to the area or has simply managed to dominate other groups in the area) claiming society "forces" whites to embrace other cultures is laughable. American society is thoroughly infused with institutional racism and white privilege and you haven't experienced anything other. Denying it is ignorance or willful deception. This is the reality of a mixed society.


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samekh wrote:
I don't care whether or not Kroda is Nazi (I believe at least Eisenslav is, BTW, due to interviews and past clothing choices, but I digress). The point of their rant is that European whites have just as much of a right to preserve and defend our cultures as any other people. The hypocrisy of groups like Antifa is that they are racist anti-whites who wish to suppress any form of traditional European expression for fear of our collective power.

There will never truly be equality when one group, no matter how large, is not given the same rights that any other group has. If other groups are encouraged to be proud of their heritage, and yet whites are intimidated into giving up our right to cultural expression (and yet our children are forced by our society to "embrace" other cultures against our will), then there will never be true equality.

Unequal rights + unequal responsibility =/= equality.

I agree with you, it seems that white people are forbidden of showing any kind of interest in their culture or history.We are taught from a very young age that whitey is bad, whitey enslaved blacks, killed natives etc, and all euorepean countires were once sinister and power hungry empires(not that these things are complete lies, but it's the same with other nations and ethnic groups, but people ignore this side) , that the only racist people in the entire fucking world are the whites.Blacks always are victims, natives american are peace loving hippies etc.Bullshit.

Though there is a difference in admiring your own culture and claiming that your culture, or race, is superior to others, and trying to destroy them.

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I've never been discouraged from exploring and being proud of my heritage. And I doubt most you have, either. Sure, maybe someone has asked you to feel a little shame and remorse for crimes perpetuated by your ancestors, but have you truly be "forced"? Most of you are sitting here refusing that shame/remorse, so I guess the answer is no? And unless you think your "white brethren" are completely brainless, most of them probably haven't accepted those ideas either. Sure, some have, but let's not act like that isn't a legitimate position legitimately arrived at (this just feeds into right wing recruitment efforts). Then again, being of Irish and Polish descent, the real "enemies" of "my people" have generally been other whites. So any sort of bullshit pan-white nationalism based of a false sense of persecution just doesn't resonate.

The reason "white culture" is in "decline" (having to use so many scare quotes is annoying even me!) is because the only real universal values it holds are individualism and capitalism. It's hard to feel real kinship with your competition. Nevertheless, whites have managed to maintain a system of privilege and exclusion within the framework. So essentially, white culture has been in a glorious era of dominance all along! There is no other outside force acting on white people that makes them disparage their roots (which, by and large, the don't, though it seems most white people love to whine about their "oppression").

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I don't really give a fuck about the politics of it all, and I don't think I've heard a Kroda song, ever, but that post really did come off as a sniveling, back-peddling, borderline-propaganda laden piece.

The idea of the white man being somehow oppressed in any way (especially in the US) is also hysterical to me. I won't deny that there are quite a few people that love to push the white guilt schtick, but I tend to find its usually white people doing so. The honest truth is a lot of us don't exercise our right to celebrate our heritage because they are fucking boring.
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Most of the people on this board are fucking funderground faggots.


Nationalism =/= National Socialism
Anti-Semetism =/= National Socialism
White Pride =/= National Socialism

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:14 pm 
 

Nice job refuting arguments, claims, and implications no one was making. Really great contribution to the discussion.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:23 pm 
 

I personally found that article quite entertaining,feeling a dislike for both the antifa/communism and nationalist/ns/racist standpoints.Not saying that I support violence of any kind at all usually,though I find it more tolerable if its beetween brainwashed political extremists.

Also,I find it weird that they were referring to punks as extremist leftists all the time.Going by this theory,all metalheads would be satanists if we are really going by the clichees.I've been befriended/went to school together with punks when I was younger and they themselves told me that its the "bad image" type of punks,the kind that is not working,beeing paid money by the government,without any education and perma drunk-drugged that participates in violent actions.

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It's a pity about this attack on Kroda. I have no problems with their ideology and in no way to I see it as being NS. White Pride? Sure. European Unity? Sure. If Antifa pussies can't take that (and Kroda should know it) then fuck them all, you absolutely can't negociate with their type anyway.

Kroda is brilliant, and any attempt at negatively affecting their music (I.E., screwing with gigs) should be frowned upon by all of us. They're rightly pissed about what happened, although they should have expected this sort of thing.
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charlie91 wrote:
Most of the people on this board are fucking funderground faggots.


Nationalism =/= National Socialism
Anti-Semetism =/= National Socialism
White Pride =/= National Socialism
Kid, you were probably listening to Slipknot and collecting Pokémon cards all of 3 years ago, so you best shut the fuck up.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:25 pm 
 

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I've never been discouraged from exploring and being proud of my heritage. And I doubt most you have, either. Sure, maybe someone has asked you to feel a little shame and remorse for crimes perpetuated by your ancestors, but have you truly be "forced"? Most of you are sitting here refusing that shame/remorse, so I guess the answer is no? And unless you think your "white brethren" are completely brainless, most of them probably haven't accepted those ideas either. Sure, some have, but let's not act like that isn't a legitimate position legitimately arrived at (this just feeds into right wing recruitment efforts). Then again, being of Irish and Polish descent, the real "enemies" of "my people" have generally been other whites. So any sort of bullshit pan-white nationalism based of a false sense of persecution just doesn't resonate.

The reason "white culture" is in "decline" (having to use so many scare quotes is annoying even me!) is because the only real universal values it holds are individualism and capitalism. It's hard to feel real kinship with your competition. Nevertheless, whites have managed to maintain a system of privilege and exclusion within the framework. So essentially, white culture has been in a glorious era of dominance all along! There is no other outside force acting on white people that makes them disparage their roots (which, by and large, the don't, though it seems most white people love to whine about their "oppression").


Totally agree with your posts. Guys, you saw it coming, don't whine. I don't know if the band is NSBM, but showing strong ties with the ideology (and supporting) is a good enough proof that they believe in that kind of thing. It's an "extreme" stance, don't be such pussies, things like that has to happen, denying it is just as lame as those afa guys.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:46 pm 
 

I'm not in anyway condoning violence, but "live by the sword, you die by the sword".

To contribute to the discussion; "proud of my heritage", what the fuck is that?? The only thing I can be proud of is who I am and what I have achieved. I have no part what so ever in what my ancestors accomplished. This is just a bullshit, low self-esteem cop out.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:50 pm 
 

Opus wrote:
I'm not in anyway condoning violence, but "live by the sword, you die by the sword".

To contribute to the discussion; "proud of my heritage", what the fuck is that?? The only thing I can be proud of is who I am and what I have achieved. I have no part what so ever in what my ancestors accomplished. This is just a bullshit, low self-esteem cop out.


:lol: that's a way to say it. Me too, I not really proud of anything about my heritage, if I would have been, it would probably be because I'd be european. Some countries have much more interesting histories, well even then, I'd may feel the same way.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:12 pm 
 

So let me get this straight. You people (those of you knee jerk NSBM haters) are applauding these Antifa idiots jumping MUSICIANS because they have a different outlook than they do. Antifa has an agenda against ALL Black Metal now let alone NSBM. These idiots and groups like them attack anything they consider Fascist, including your average war metal band. We've had this happen to Operation Winter Mist here in BC; even though it's quite obvious they are a band centered around Canadian Patriotism, these crusty leftist groups tried blocking their entry and even tried to sick the Hell's Angels on them claiming they were "Nazis".

Apparently some of you live in a fantasy world where you don't think these things are a real threat to your freedom of thought, and your freedom to enjoy what you listen to or what concerts you go to. Black Metal concerts in places like the Nederlands are constantly being made in secret because ANTIFA consistently tries to shut them down. This happens regardless of the bands political stance.

Me personally I have very liberal concepts of human rights and freedoms... but attacking a band like KRODA (which is absolutely an amazing band) and destroying their instruments and injuring them, by proxy they are attacking the fans that wanted to see that show, the people who came to listen to some amazing Pagan Metal. They have every right to issue a statement in their defence.. hell they should have gone further and maybe will legally.

This isn't about National Socialism, this is about ANTIFA's own fascist agenda becoming a physical threat.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:17 pm 
 

cultofkraken wrote:
So let me get this straight. You people (those of you knee jerk NSBM haters) are applauding these Antifa idiots jumping MUSICIANS because they have a different outlook than they do. Antifa has an agenda against ALL Black Metal now let alone NSBM. These idiots and groups like them attack anything they consider Fascist, including your average war metal band. We've had this happen to Operation Winter Mist here in BC; even though it's quite obvious they are a band centered around Canadian Patriotism, these crusty leftist groups tried blocking their entry and even tried to sick the Hell's Angels on them claiming they were "Nazis".

Apparently some of you live in a fantasy world where you don't think these things are a real threat to your freedom of thought, and your freedom to enjoy what you listen to or what concerts you go to. Black Metal concerts in places like the Nederlands are constantly being made in secret because ANTIFA consistently tries to shut them down. This happens regardless of the bands political stance.

Me personally I have very liberal concepts of human rights and freedoms... but attacking a band like KRODA (which is absolutely an amazing band) and destroying their instruments and injuring them, by proxy they are attacking the fans that wanted to see that show, the people who came to listen to some amazing Pagan Metal. They have every right to issue a statement in their defence.. hell they should have gone further and maybe will legally.

This isn't about National Socialism, this is about ANTIFA's own fascist agenda becoming a physical threat.


We never said we supported ANTIFA, but said Kroda had some poor arguments in their defense (saying how they are not connected to NS views, maybe the band isn't but the guys are for sure). The thing is, it's the first time I heard about such thing happening to a bm band. Well only when there was a Nargaroth show here, but besides that, it's a first to me.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:24 pm 
 

samekh wrote:
There will never truly be equality when one group, no matter how large, is not given the same rights that any other group has.


Giving equality to those who want it abolished is oxymoronic.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:34 pm 
 

I don't know who said it, and I'm probably paraphrasing, but "I may not agree with what you're saying but I'll fight to death for your right to say it".

I don't condone nazi rhetoric, but I don't condone attacking someone for their political views either.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:40 pm 
 

ngwoo wrote:
I don't know who said it, and I'm probably paraphrasing, but "I may not agree with what you're saying but I'll fight to death for your right to say it".


Voltaire

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I don't condone nazi rhetoric, but I don't condone attacking someone for their political views either.


I feel Kroda would applaud skinheads beating up Aus Rotten if they played in Ukraine, as countless people have said it's silly that a stance that doesn't want equality cries about unfair treatment.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:52 pm 
 

CrippledLucifer wrote:
samekh wrote:
There will never truly be equality when one group, no matter how large, is not given the same rights that any other group has.


Giving equality to those who want it abolished is oxymoronic.
This is what I've always found so amusing about the nature of the extreme right.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:56 pm 
 

Antifa needs to fucking die, seriously.

A: They're not affecting the bands that are actually NS or fascist. They have had NO impact as far as I can tell.

B: They're outright attacking any band that has any sort of pagan imagery or lyrics.

C: They're giving all leftist/punk/fascist opposing people a bad name (they thought moonsorrow was NS because of the sig rune in their logo, how stupid can you be?)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:22 pm 
 

Opus wrote:
I'm not in anyway condoning violence, but "live by the sword, you die by the sword".

To contribute to the discussion; "proud of my heritage", what the fuck is that?? The only thing I can be proud of is who I am and what I have achieved. I have no part what so ever in what my ancestors accomplished. This is just a bullshit, low self-esteem cop out.


Man...Opus hit it right on the fucking head when he said "proud of my heritage , what the fuck is that"?? I'm black by chance, Opus is white by chance.We are all what we are by chance. There is nothing any of us should to be proud of. The only thing we should be proud of is that we're all metalheads,and members of this great site. Now if your just interested in your families heritage thats a whole other story, but proud...come on. All these "movements" such as White pride, Black pride ,La Raza and..etc, are doing is pointing out our cultural difference and driving a wedge between us as human beings.

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